Saturday, January 17, 2009

Bob Meadours Update

Welp, in a surprise to no one, the officers who shot Bob Meadours over a dozen times were exonerated.

I'm thinking that the lawyer for his family didn't play up the "our officers are trained for this sort of thing" part of the 911 call enough, and the Defendants' argument that the bullet holes in his back "could have been caused" when he turned (after having been shot at least six times in the front?) is pretty damn weak if you ask me. There were four cops there. And they don't remember? Please.

His parents were stoic, and if nothing else a training requirement for handling the mentally ill during incidents like this have been put in place, so hopefully this sort of thing won't happen.

Now if only we could keep them from shooting same people who are laying on the ground in their own yards or in subway stations, we'd be on to something.

7 comments:

Tenderfoot said...

I'm gonna go on a limb here and guess you've never attended a shoot/don't shoot simulator. Nor have you read nor seen the studies showing a person facing a gun can turn before the bullet gets to them. While you are certainly entitled to your opinion, please try to have some facts before spouting off.

Rage Judicata said...

The facts are that the guy was shot over a dozen times by three officers. To me, that's per-se excessive force.

I will also say that I have personally had to defend my home by force, and made sure that a single shot put him down. I'm not much for firing wildly, and if these officers were so poorly trained that all three had to open up on one guy with a screwdriver, well, there's a problem here. I don't understand how three officers feel the need to go all firing squad on the guy, when me, a civilian defending his home, had the composure to fire once.

And let's keep in mind that these cops were represented as trained at dealing with the mentally insane--when all that really meant was to shoot him a whole bunch of times. It's clear these officers had no idea what to do.

I'm well aware that a person can turn after being shot, or be in the process of turning when shot (in which case they're not really a threat to the officer...), but "before the bullet gets to them?" You're kidding me, right? You're telling me that you believe that a person can turn fully around so as to be shot in the back, when he was charging at and a threat to an officer when the bullet left the barrel?

I bet you're the guy that can prove the existence of God, too.

Anonymous said...

"I'm gonna go on a limb here and guess you've never attended a shoot/don't shoot simulator. Nor have you read nor seen the studies showing a person facing a gun can turn before the bullet gets to them. While you are certainly entitled to your opinion, please try to have some facts before spouting off."

Lies, damned lies, and statistics...

You show me a guy that can turn around AFTER a bullet has left the chamber, and I'll show you a guy that would have out-run the threat of being shot to begin with or who's name was Lee, Bruce Lee...

And Yes, I have been in a shoot/noshoot simulator, many times. No I am not law enforcement. To say that anyone can out run, or in this instance, out turn a projectile traveling at 1500 to 1900 ft per second at close range (standard 9mm parabellum round) is not only a fallacy, it is dangerous to post such non-sense as kids have done dumber stuff on YouTube, and could be reading this.

But this guy was shot 4 times in the back? What, he turned four times? come on, get real on this. We have here what is known as a shooting gallery.

Anonymous said...

If you had a hair on your ass you'd quit that alleged lawyer job (I really think you are a frustrated paralegal, based upon your vitrolic spoutings) and be a cop.

Be a man for the first time in your life.

Anonymous said...

If shooting some crazy guy in the back is the behavior of a real man, I hope you keep your sissy day job Rage.

Rage Judicata said...

Can't I do both?

Anonymous said...

Wow, so much cop hatred, so much misinformation. To the guy who attacked Tenderfoot, he didn't say after the bullet left the chamber, he said "facing a gun". It is a documented and tested fact that a person can turn 180 degrees in the same amount of time it takes to 1) decide to fire; 2) pull the trigger; and 3) have the bullet travel the distance to the target.

Next, three officers firing, Rage, simply means that ALL THREE OFFICERS PERCEIVED A DEADLY THREAT AT THE EXACT SAME TIME. That is a STRONG indicator that the force used was up to the Graham v. Connor standard. Moreover, unlike you and your lucky shot, "one shot one kill" is, for the most part, a myth. Consequently, officers are trained to keep shooting until the threat is eliminated.

In other words, you're not as good as you think you are. Assuming you're telling the truth, you were either using a shotgun at close range or you just got lucky.

Finally, cops are not SUPPOSED to be mental health counselors. If this guy was so harmless, WHY THE HECK DIDN'T HIS FAMILY GET HIM TO THE DOCTOR? Hmmmmm? They were scared of him and they called the cops. They developed litigational amnesia regarding this fear when it came time to collect.

The scumbags in this situation are the dead guy's family. They ought to be ashamed. And YOU ought to be ashamed for siding with the money grubbing ingrates.